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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:36:00 -
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 Originally by: LK52
Originally by: Maggot
Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
What little you know is that a month before you moved in force we heard this was going to happen and formed our alliance with ISS, Slyph, Imperial Order and a whole other bunch of hitters in the region before FZN even showed up. The only thing we lacked was a date for the initial push which, ok hats off, you picked an odd day and time for it.
But everyone seems to be approaching the fact that we have allies as if we rushed to call for aid the day you guys cynoed in your dreads and pos launchers. They were waiting for over a month though and we have not added to our group ever since. Some have taken longer to move in our aid than others so they show up at different times. Unlike the pirates that seem to be gathering one corp after another as more and more of you jump on the band waggon and head our way to inflate these inaccurate and pointless measuring sticks called killboards.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:52:00 -
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If you want to argue specifics, you didn't even mentioned hired hands either so lets not start pulling at thin threads.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Helganstandt
Assuming that is true (and I'm making a BIG leap in the assumption that CVA and PIE inc. were helping you plan for this) even then, you're admitting that it didn't do a lot of good.
As has been said already several times the CVA and PIE were not included in defense plans. If they continue to fly around our area in this conflic that is at their own discression as one of their reps said a few pages back. And I admitted no such thing that it didn't do good I just said you picked a good day to move in. Well not you as MoM has been in 9u a grand total of 4 days. But you get the point... I hope...
Originally by: Helganstandt
Usually it is good form when countering a claim to back yourself up with statistics to prove your claim (you know, like actual numbers, not words that in your mind magically hold truth.) We have yet to see anything of this sort from your side.
Ohh you mean like your side hasn't done? Sure... lets all waste our time on numbers that both sides are always going to contest. Or maybe your guys can wait to claim some victory beyond the small scale when your flag flys over our outpost and not our flag.
Originally by: Helganstandt
We've all got time if you need to take some to dig up some numbers.
No I would rather stick with Maggots reply to someone else and say:
"No, I have better things to do."
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.19 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gunsnroses
Oh, and PS.
Ascn/ISS = pirastes.
ISS attacked our members in low sec space, we returned fire, and have since dealt billions in damages to iss.
Opps? Silly "neutral" iss pirates 
Ohh for heavens sake not this again. Pirates getting shot is what is called 'crime and punishment' not others being pirates. Don't like being treated as hostile then don't fire first.
ISS are neutral in the respect that they don't shoot people on first contact and wave instead. But if that stranger shoots them then that doesn't mean they have to sit there and take it and not shoot back from that point on. What is so confusing about that?
And I hear MoM state repeatedly that they are not pirates. Well then put your money where your mouth is and leave 9uy. Because as long as you are there assisting known pirates like Veto, as you have states as your reason for poking your noses in this affair, then you are pirates in my book. Plain and simple.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.19 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Helganstandt
Originally by: Darius Shakor
As has been said already several times the CVA and PIE were not included in defense plans. If they continue to fly around our area in this conflic that is at their own discression as one of their reps said a few pages back. And I admitted no such thing that it didn't do good I just said you picked a good day to move in. Well not you as MoM has been in 9u a grand total of 4 days. But you get the point... I hope...
No, don't really get your point as you don't have one. The fact that CVA and PIE just sort of show up out of nowhere is indicative that they were called in. You need to come up with a better story, and one that makes some sense.
Well thankyou for proving my point exactly. As said you guys just come swagering in and suddenly uou are all knowing about what is going on here. CVA live a few jumps south of Ushra'Khan and we are enemies. We have endured raiding parties from them all the time, a lot longer than you guys decided to put your hoof in, and you think that you are qualified to jusge that we 'called them in'? You know nothing at all and make yourself look like a complete fool with your assumptions.
Originally by: Helganstandt
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Ohh you mean like your side hasn't done? Sure... lets all waste our time on numbers that both sides are always going to contest. Or maybe your guys can wait to claim some victory beyond the small scale when your flag flys over our outpost and not our flag.
Then you need a new perception implant. The stats have been posted here. We're all using the FZN killboard, and reporting our losses too. You guys have specifically said many times that we're not posting losses, and yet you aren't posting your own stats. This tells me that you either don't have stats to prove we're not posting losses, or you're flat out lying. There's no other logical explanation.
I am not going to speak for my friends that have stated such stuff but I will say this as my own personal reason. What I dislike about all killboard debates is that no killboard is 100% accurate. Not even our own. You want an admission? We have always seen Ushra'Khan members who don't post for one reason or another. And not just losses but also kills as well. The only difference with me is that I actually recognise our killboard is only as accurate as the next guy. But your friends come in here dragging figures with them and claiming them as 100% fact. So I am saying that if you want to make yourselves look good, make sure you admit that it is not going to be accurate otherwise you are all just blowing hot air.
And if you even bothered to read Mangold's post earlier you would see we have backed it up to FZN that they have not posted all their kills. But it was done privately because killboards are not the be-all end-all of combat. There was not need to get into a 'well you lost this and didn't post it' publicly because that is just more fanning of the flames. You could inflict a total of 20 billion in damage to us vs 2 billion on your side for all I care but if you guys still fail to take the outpost and retreat then you have lost.
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